THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT ASHEVILLE
  
                         Faculty Senate Minutes
                            February 26, 1979




The Faculty Senate met on Monday, February 26, 1979, at 3:15 pm in RL1,
with Dr. Browning, chairman, presiding.  

Senate Members present:  Dr. Boland, Dr. Browning, Dr. Cole, Dr. Gillum, 
Dr. Greenawalt, Dr. Hart, Dr. Otti, Dr. Remington, Dr. Seitz, Dr. Shoaf, 
Dr. Squibb, Dr. Stern, Dr. Stevens, Mr. Wengrow.  

Members Absent:  Dr. Dorr, Dr. Reed, Dr. Wilson.

Visitors:  Mrs. Cadle, Dr. Cochran, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Deason, Dr. Howard,
Dr. Kronus, Mr. Parsons, Dr. Stoughton.  

 
Speaking privileges were granted to visitors.




	The minutes of the February 9, 1979, Senate meeting were approved 
as published.

        Dr. Browning explained that this was a special Senate meeting
for the purpose of meeting the catalog deadline with proposals from
Psychology and Sociology relating to statistics courses.  He called on
Dr. Stevens, chairman of the Academic Policies Committee.

	Dr. Stevens stated that about four weeks ago an ad hoc committee
was set up to study the matter of statistics and research methods courses.
Dr. Coyne was the chairan of the committee and submitted a report to APC.
The matter was discussed at length in APC resulting in APC Documents #21
and 22.  If #22 is approved by the Senate then it would constitute the
changes recommened in #23.  Dr. Stevens moved adoption of APC Document
#21, the deletion of the current Psychology statistics and experimental
courses and the addition of Psychology 303 and 304, Research Methods I
and II.

	In discussion following the motion opinions were expressed
concerning the need for the courses, whether or not there had been an
attempt to change Math 125, Elementary Statistical Inference, to more
effectively meet the needs of the social sciences, the overlap in content
of the courses, the fact that students could receive credit for Psychology
303 and 304 and Mathematics 125, and also the fact that if a student 
declared a major in Psychology and had previously received credit for
Math 125 he would still be required to take Psychology 303 and 304 but
not receive credit for the courses.

	Dr. Seitz moved to amend the motion on the floor by adding the
following sentence to the course description for Psychology 304:  A
student may not earn credit for both Psychology 304 and Mathematics 125.
In addition, the same sentence should be added to the description for
Mathematics 125.  The motion was seconded and passed.

	There was further discussion concerning other departments in
social sciences with respect to statistics, the waste of faculty
resources if a number of departments began diverting their resources to
the teaching of statistics, and the best way to efficiently and effectively
serve the needs of students in an educational manner.  Dr. Stoughton,
speaking for the Mathematics Department, stated that Math 125 was a
service course, not intended for math students but for other departments,
and that the department was willing to change the course to suit the needs
of not only the social sciences but also other departments (Biology in
particular).

	Dr. Remington called the question on the motion as amended and
it was passed:  in favor - 8; opposed - 3; abstaining - 2.

	Dr. Stevens moved adoption of APC Document #22, the addition
of Sociology 356, Sociological Statistics.  Dr. Boland seconded the
motion.

	Dr. Kronus said that at present sociology majors could graduate
without any statistics and that the proposed course was grounded in
elementary sociological statistics.  He said that by next year he hoped
to propose a sequence of research and statistics courses similar to the
psychology offering.

	There was lengthy discussion concerning the numbering of the
course, prerequisites for the course (Sociology 100 and 210), why
the math course did not meet the needs of the Sociology Department,
the fact that Sociology majors had not been required to take statistics
in the past, and the fact that as it now stands students could receive
credit for both Mathematics 125 and the proposed Sociology statistics
course.

	Dr. Boland moved the following addition to the course
description:  Students may not earn credit for both Mathematics 125 and
Sociology 356.  The same notation was to be made to the Mathematics
125 description.  The motion was seconded and passed.

	After further discussion Dr. Stevens called the question on
APC Document #22 as amended.  The motion failed:  opposed - 6; in
favor - 5; abstaining  2.

	Dr. Stevens withdrew APC Document #23 since it was based on the
assumption that APC Document #22 would be adopted.

	Dr. Browning stated that it was obvious that everyone was not
satisfied with the results and that this was an issue of concern
educationally.  He said he hoped the university would continue to focus
on this in an educational manner.  He asked APC to keep the question of
statistics on its agenda and to approach the Sociology Department and
other departments concerned to see that students are efficiently and
effectively served without unnecessary duplication and uneconomic use
of institutional resources.  Furthermore, he said, it would seem
appropriate for the APC to attempt to solve this problem by developing
policy applicable to all departments rather than have policy emerge as
a consequence of random response to random proposals.

	Dr. Browning announced that the next Senate meeting was scheduled
for March 22.

	The meeting adjourned at 4:45 pm.


APPROVED:  Shirley C. Browning           Jacquelyn Peterson
           Chairman, Faculty Senate      Secretary